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Secularist View

March 10, 2009

In my opinion we live in a world that is dominated by the secularist worldview. What I mean is the default idea is that there is no deity of any kind. This is incredibly different than the world that Jesus stepped into. At that time the issue was not whether or not there was a God, it was which God is the best or real God.

The idea of needing to find forgiveness for wrongs wasn’t an issue. The primary issue was who can give you that forgiveness.

This makes a great deal of difference in our world today. While people might not have believed in the God of the Christians they certainly had some type of god. In fact they typically had many. The issue wasn’t should we try to placate this deity but instead the issue was what and who is the correct one.

Imagine a world where the leader was considered a god? Can you imagine anyone thinking the same about any of our Presidents?

I think we must come to grips with this today. We live in a secular world and the baseline is not for deity but for none. Because of this I don’t think you can assume that people will understand forgiveness. I don’t think you can assume people will understand they have a need for something more.

I think this fact will make evangelism increasingly difficult. How do you share about Jesus with people who don’t naturally assume they need a deity? How do you talk about truth with people who believe that they create truth? That nothing above them exists?

How does the church function in a world where they are not competing to show that God is the Creator of the universe, but instead attempting to get people to realize that someone is?

Thoughts?

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11 Comments leave one →
  1. March 10, 2009 11:14 pm

    “What I mean is the default idea is that there is no deity of any kind.”

    I think you may need to look up the definition of ‘secular’.

  2. March 11, 2009 5:22 am

    Thanks for the comment, maybe I have not articulated my thoughts very well.

    Just this evening in discussing the President’s policies Sean Hannity made the comment that we didn’t need to bring God into the discussion, just a discussion of policy.

    When Jesus arrived there would be no separation of government policy and deity since Caesar was considered god.

    Being one who believes in God that may shape how I frame the statement.

    Secular is defined as concerned with temporal, worldly matters rather than with religion so any time we set out to say this can happen we are saying we can go on without God.

    Hope that helps.

  3. March 11, 2009 1:08 pm

    Good post Darin. The secular world view is definitely the dominate one in our current culture. My favorite part is when Atheists try to argue that they don’t have a world view, and they think we are the irrational ones 🙂 .

  4. March 11, 2009 1:14 pm

    A secular worldview isn’t an atheist worldview, necessarily. I certainly support it, and am glad that it is mostly functioning in our society. Obviously the right wing Christians continually try to change that, but so far they haven’t too much.

    A secular world view is one that recognizes religion as a personal, private (meaning like a private organization, as opposed to ‘hidden’) issue.

    It’s not really an atheist worldview because so many Christians and other religious people also support it.

    I don’t understand your comment, mcoville. We may think your worldview is irrational, but not the fact that you have a worldview.

  5. stushie permalink
    March 11, 2009 1:22 pm

    If the 20th century taught us any lesson, it is this: secular decadence leads to fascist government.

  6. March 11, 2009 1:26 pm

    “If the 20th century taught us any lesson, it is this: secular decadence leads to fascist government.”

    Not really.

    It taught us totalitarian and militaristic governments lead to fascism.

    But by all means, let’s return to religious crusades and inquisitions.

  7. March 13, 2009 4:40 pm

    Thanks for the comments. I will continue this with another post.

    Unfortunately my point wasn’t one of comparison but how do we interact with others when this is the defacto way of looking at the world.

    MorsecOde, I understand your point but to a believer like me it is impossible to remove God from one area or another so to say you can have God in this area but not that does not compute. That just comes with my belief in God.

    I recognize that this probably won’t compute with you and you are free to disagree with me, I have no problem with that.

    To all this was not intended to be a comparison because as morsecOde pointed out you can list any number of religious led groups like the Taliban or the inquisition where religion has been used in destructive ways. I will follow up on this thought more in my post today.

    Again, thanks for the comments, I have been out of town for two days and have not had a chance to comment.

  8. March 14, 2009 1:51 am

    You asked: “How does the church function in a world where they are not competing to show that God is the Creator of the universe, but instead attempting to get people to realize that someone is?

    I think it is the best way we always have done, love them, serve them. Jesus and the Holy Spirit will do what needs to be done.

  9. March 14, 2009 3:33 am

    Thanks MiT,

    I agree and yet I can’t help but ask, what if the Jesus is trying to prompt us in the discussion and what if the Spirit will use this in a powerful way?

    Just asking.

  10. March 14, 2009 11:19 am

    Then you obey. I can not change another’s heart, God certainly can.

    If people don’t understand forgiveness, then we model it for them, if they don’t know they need it, one by one, live it in front of them. It is how the Church lived under the Caesars, and we thrived then, even if powerless.

  11. March 14, 2009 5:30 pm

    Thanks.

    Living forgivenenss.

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